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Premier League is trying to save the Premier League by proposing this.. cuz if the 6+5 rules applies.. the Premier League is the biggest loser.. need i remind u.. we have to start 6 english men in a game.. and that doesn't include Welsh, Scots & irish..

true, and tbh the main attractions of the premier league are their foreign plyrs..


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Premier League is trying to save the Premier League by proposing this.. cuz if the 6+5 rules applies.. the Premier League is the biggest loser.. need i remind u.. we have to start 6 english men in a game.. and that doesn't include Welsh, Scots & irish..

true, and tbh the main attractions of the premier league are their foreign plyrs..


yea.. the local players are not entirely good.. huhu..


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Welbeck
Even Tevez didn't perform at Wembley. So hard to judge Welbeck. But he does have the ability. But like any youngsters, need to fill up which he will in the next few seasons. Have a bit of everything, pace(not the fastest, but good pace), height, movement, control, dribbling ability..


Fabio
Look more assured, in control, and better really than his brother, who is getting a regular time at RB for us. Not much game time to judge though.


Evans
His performance really said it all. He was classy in that Amsterdam Tournament, having been drafted into the squad as emergency with a number of players missing. Went to Sunderland, and was a main reason in them getting promoted. And then played for them in the EPL, and stop them from leaking goals, which they did for half a season without Evans. And now is showing his class for us on a consistent basis, and big games doesn't seem to effect him that much as he just goes about his business as usual.
Rate him as 9/10 out of 10 for potential.
As a player right now: 8 out of 10.

Anderson
Have it all, except scoring ability. Still a bit raw as a CM, but he's already good the way he is right now. Gonna be a Gerrard for us, with his driving runs. Should do it more often. Got a mature head too, seeing how he always think about the team first in his decisions. Always perform in the big games too.

Gibson..
Not been that impressive, but he does have the ability, and it seems SAF seems to rate him, along with his International manager(s). Another Fletcher perhaps who fail to make his mark, but grew as he gets older.


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Loque wrote:
Fasha wrote:
Premier League is trying to save the Premier League by proposing this.. cuz if the 6+5 rules applies.. the Premier League is the biggest loser.. need i remind u.. we have to start 6 english men in a game.. and that doesn't include Welsh, Scots & irish..

true, and tbh the main attractions of the premier league are their foreign plyrs..


yea.. the local players are not entirely good.. huhu..


that's the fact, isn't it?


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Fasha wrote:
Loque wrote:
Fasha wrote:
Premier League is trying to save the Premier League by proposing this.. cuz if the 6+5 rules applies.. the Premier League is the biggest loser.. need i remind u.. we have to start 6 english men in a game.. and that doesn't include Welsh, Scots & irish..

true, and tbh the main attractions of the premier league are their foreign plyrs..


yea.. the local players are not entirely good.. huhu..


that's the fact, isn't it?


England rarely produced good players these days..


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Fasha wrote:
nazq wrote:
Fasha wrote:
Loque wrote:
Fasha wrote:
Premier League is trying to save the Premier League by proposing this.. cuz if the 6+5 rules applies.. the Premier League is the biggest loser.. need i remind u.. we have to start 6 english men in a game.. and that doesn't include Welsh, Scots & irish..

true, and tbh the main attractions of the premier league are their foreign plyrs..


yea.. the local players are not entirely good.. huhu..


that's the fact, isn't it?


England rarely produced good players these days..

i think, england are producing nearly the same plyrs compared to the past plyrs produced like lineker, platt, hoddle, keegan etc etc.

but could it be, other countries have become BETTER? bttr tactics, bttr preparation, bttr training? and maybe england are still stuck with their old mindset, not adapting to the current footy environment?


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Fasha wrote:
nazq wrote:
Fasha wrote:
Loque wrote:
Fasha wrote:
Premier League is trying to save the Premier League by proposing this.. cuz if the 6+5 rules applies.. the Premier League is the biggest loser.. need i remind u.. we have to start 6 english men in a game.. and that doesn't include Welsh, Scots & irish..

true, and tbh the main attractions of the premier league are their foreign plyrs..


yea.. the local players are not entirely good.. huhu..


that's the fact, isn't it?


England rarely produced good players these days..

i think, england are producing nearly the same plyrs compared to the past plyrs produced like lineker, platt, hoddle, keegan etc etc.

but could it be, other countries have become BETTER? bttr tactics, bttr preparation, bttr training? and maybe england are still stuck with their old mindset, not adapting to the current footy environment?


i beg to differ.. because i think there's a crop of youngsters but sometimes i think they're not good enuff just yet.. i don't know.. maybe i'm just too fussy..


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Fasha wrote:
Loque wrote:
Fasha wrote:
nazq wrote:
Fasha wrote:
Loque wrote:
Fasha wrote:
Premier League is trying to save the Premier League by proposing this.. cuz if the 6+5 rules applies.. the Premier League is the biggest loser.. need i remind u.. we have to start 6 english men in a game.. and that doesn't include Welsh, Scots & irish..

true, and tbh the main attractions of the premier league are their foreign plyrs..


yea.. the local players are not entirely good.. huhu..


that's the fact, isn't it?


England rarely produced good players these days..

i think, england are producing nearly the same plyrs compared to the past plyrs produced like lineker, platt, hoddle, keegan etc etc.

but could it be, other countries have become BETTER? bttr tactics, bttr preparation, bttr training? and maybe england are still stuck with their old mindset, not adapting to the current footy environment?


i beg to differ.. because i think there's a crop of youngsters but sometimes i think they're not good enuff just yet.. i don't know.. maybe i'm just too fussy..

do you think in terms of raw ability, england's youngsters are comparable to brazilian, italian, spanish youngsters?

to make it clearer, in terms of physique, technical abilities and tactical awareness?


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i'm not going to quote cuz too many quotes are an eye sore.. anyway.. in term of raw ability, the english youngsters are not in the same standards of the youngsters from the countries u've mentioned.. there might be a few and that's it.. if u compared to other countries.. they've got plenty of talented individuals and most of them are world class..


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i'm not going to quote cuz too many quotes are an eye sore.. anyway.. in term of raw ability, the english youngsters are not in the same standards of the youngsters from the countries u've mentioned.. there might be a few and that's it.. if u compared to other countries.. they've got plenty of talented individuals and most of them are world class..


For sure....it is Brazil :grim:


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i'm not going to quote cuz too many quotes are an eye sore.. anyway.. in term of raw ability, the english youngsters are not in the same standards of the youngsters from the countries u've mentioned.. there might be a few and that's it.. if u compared to other countries.. they've got plenty of talented individuals and most of them are world class..


For sure....it is Brazil :grim:


well..they're blessed with so many talented footballers.. i think Argentina is the same too.. like Luque told me once, it's in their genes.. hehe..


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Fasha wrote:
i'm not going to quote cuz too many quotes are an eye sore.. anyway.. in term of raw ability, the english youngsters are not in the same standards of the youngsters from the countries u've mentioned.. there might be a few and that's it.. if u compared to other countries.. they've got plenty of talented individuals and most of them are world class..


For sure....it is Brazil :grim:


well..they're blessed with so many talented footballers.. i think Argentina is the same too.. like Luque told me once, it's in their genes.. hehe..

i think a proper research need to be done regarding that, can footballing skills be passed thru the generation thru genetics?

brazil and argentina are producing so many quality plyrs, we need to find out what's their secret. is it their food? their culture? the air they breathe? huhu


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Fasha wrote:
i'm not going to quote cuz too many quotes are an eye sore.. anyway.. in term of raw ability, the english youngsters are not in the same standards of the youngsters from the countries u've mentioned.. there might be a few and that's it.. if u compared to other countries.. they've got plenty of talented individuals and most of them are world class..


For sure....it is Brazil :grim:


well..they're blessed with so many talented footballers.. i think Argentina is the same too.. like Luque told me once, it's in their genes.. hehe..

i think a proper research need to be done regarding that, can footballing skills be passed thru the generation thru genetics?

brazil and argentina are producing so many quality plyrs, we need to find out what's their secret. is it their food? their culture? the air they breathe? huhu


Culture maybe? cuz footy is part of their rich culture.. huhu..


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Fergie's future fledglings face tough task

It was a glorious victory for youth, heralding the emergence of the next generation and proving a rite of passage for the promising and the precocious. Or was it? Manchester United's Carling Cup final triumph lends itself to different interpretations. Was it a win for the latest batch of Fergie's Fledglings or the Scot's seasoned squad players?

Only three of arguably his strongest side started against Tottenham, in Rio Ferdinand, Patrice Evra and Cristiano Ronaldo. Among their eight colleagues, Paul Scholes and John O'Shea have amassed more than 900 United appearances, while Carlos Tevez is approaching 50 caps for Argentina. Nani's £17m fee and regular involvement over the last 18 months precludes descriptions of him as a novice, while Jonny Evans has figured with such regularity that he can no longer be deemed a reserve-team player. Sir Alex Ferguson has already described the Ulsterman as a future Manchester United centre-half and his development reflects well upon the club's academy.

Two of the genuine rookies, Richard Eckersley and Rodrigo Possebon, were unused substitutes. Of those who took the field, only three could be termed inexperienced at Old Trafford. Attention before the game was focused on Danny Welbeck and Darron Gibson. Afterwards, it was diverted to Ben Foster. The striker has made six starts for United, the midfielder and the goalkeeper seven apiece. A handful of appearances can be the precursor to a career of remarkable longevity - as Scholes and Ryan Giggs can testify - or a swift realisation that the only United team for whom they are likely to figure regularly plays its home games at Altrincham's Moss Lane ground and goes by the name of United Reserves.

Foster probably possesses the best chance of establishing himself in the senior side. Saves from Aaron Lennon, in open play, and Jamie O'Hara, in the subsequent shootout, were an indication of his ability. That he was capped by England two years ago is another. Signed from Stoke, he doesn't quite qualify as a product of the club's youth system, though Ferguson was the first to properly recognise his talent. Whether he has appreciated it sufficiently in recent weeks is a moot point: Foster has spent much of the campaign as third choice, with the error-prone Tomasz Kuszczak often favoured as Edwin van der Sar's understudy.

The Carling Cup final may have marked a change in the goalkeepers' pecking order, but progress is a slow process. There were theories that van der Sar would be phased out this season; instead his status as first choice has been reaffirmed during a recent run of 14 consecutive clean sheets where Ferguson's praise has been a constant. Foster may possess the credentials, but the Dutchman's continued presence means that, for the younger man to realise his stated ambition of making the 2010 World Cup squad, he may require a third season on loan.

Welbeck, in contrast, is something of a rarity among United's youngsters in that he has not been loaned out. That, and his tender age (18), points to Ferguson's high regard for him, though the Wembley showpiece provided something of a chastening occasion. His ability to operate on the flanks is also significant, given a recent fondness for interchangeable attackers. The fact that Tevez's future remains unresolved also adds to his chances.

However, historically, his is the hardest position. Mark Robins was the last home-grown forward to make an impact in the senior side. Not since Mark Hughes and Norman Whiteside have any become a regular. United's predilection for superstar strikers and the budget to buy, say, Karim Benzema, means it would require exceptional ability to progress beyond the role of squad player. Plus, although Welbeck surely ranks ahead of the loaned-out duo of Frazier Campbell and Manucho, the £8m Serb Adem Ljajic will arrive in the summer to provide another barrier.

Competition for places is a constant at Old Trafford, but it is at its fiercest in the centre of midfield. There are hints of Scholes in Gibson's shooting but, even excluding such utility men as Ji-sung Park and O'Shea, he only stands sixth among the specialists. He is yet to start a Premier League game, even in a season when United have been deprived of one of their costlier players.

Indeed, it is to the credit of Michael Carrick, Darren Fletcher and Giggs that Owen Hargreaves has gone unmentioned for large portions of his absence. Nevertheless, that is a sign of the difficulty of Gibson's task. While the Irishman is entitled to argue that, in 18 months' time, two of the major obstacles in his path could be cleared by the possible retirement of Giggs and Scholes, others could present themselves, principally from Brazil.

Anderson's second season has been less distinguished than his debut campaign, but his fierce, fearless tackling, considerable energy and big-game temperament have endeared the dreadlocked midfielder to the crowd. He could complement Carrick or understudy Hargreaves in the preferred duo in a year or two. Meanwhile, Possebon, 16 months Gibson's junior, could overtake him as he develops physically and acclimatises himself to the English game.

Instead Gibson's contribution, like that of countless previous United youth products, could be to replenish the funds of the club that developed him. The lower half of the Premier League is populated by players schooled at Old Trafford and ultimately profitable for Ferguson such as Kieran Richardson, Phil Bardsley, Paul McShane, David Healy, Danny Higginbotham, Danny Pugh, Ryan Shawcross and Jonathan Greening.

Meanwhile, with Anderson and Possebon joined in the South American contingent by Rafael and Fabio da Silva, and Zoran Tosic and Ljajic brought over from Belgrade, imported talent has an increasing importance. Once, Manchester United's future lay in Bury and Salford. Now Brazil and Serbia seem to have a larger part to play. Foster may buck that trend and Welbeck may do, but Gibson is unlikely to progress much futher. All three should treasure their Carling Cup medals, because their promise does not constitute a guarantee there will be any more.


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so, Mark Robins, Mark Hughes & Norman Whiteside is a United striker that came from the academy...
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