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Are Fergie's proteges cursed?
James Robson
17/12/2008


IT is fast becoming the curse of Old Trafford.

Fitting then that the fatal blow to Paul Ince's short-lived tenure as Blackburn manager should be dealt by the one man who has so far proved impervious to the hex on former United players.

Steve Bruce's Wigan inflicted a sixth consecutive defeat on Blackburn on Saturday. And it proved the final straw for an Ewood Park hierarchy that got too twitchy for Ince's good after seeing Rovers fall from seventh to 19th in the Premier League since taking a chance on the ex-Macclesfield and MK Dons manager.

At this rate Mark Hughes will be sitting very uncomfortably at Manchester City.

In the space of a year he has watched as a once overflowing list of ex-United employees, who were seen as potential successors to Sir Alex Ferguson, has been whittled down to virtually none.

An impressive shortlist that at the beginning of last season included Roy Keane, Hughes, Ince, Carlos Queiroz and Steve McClaren, is now just short.

Pressures

And, with City now on the precipice of the relegation zone, Hughes himself may also be on the edge.

Should Sheikh Mansour lose patience with Hughes then there really will be genuine credence given to the Old Trafford hoodoo.

Keane resigned at the start of the month, failing to cope with the pressures of management, while Ince was given the bullet for failing to cope with the rigours of top-flight football.

Before them Bryan Robson's promising start at Middlesbrough and miracle work at West Brom was punctuated with failures at Bradford and Sheffield United.

McClaren's rapid ascent from Ferguson's number two to England manager, via Middlesbrough, soon came crashing with him now banished to Holland, where he is rebuilding his career at FC Twente.

Meanwhile, Queiroz' form with the Portugal national team is only supporting the theory that he is a lieutenant rather than a commander.

Even further back, Brian Kidd's lofty reputation when branching out on his own at Blackburn was soon sullied.

Where as United were once spoilt for choice when it came to selecting Ferguson's successor, now they are finding the choice merely spoilt.

Curse

The evidence of curse is compelling - but the curse is not one of ex-United employees, rather the managerial business as a whole.

The sack race is not particular to those with a link to Old Trafford - it is endemic throughout the world of football.

It is a self-perpetuating curse only exacerbated by chairmen hell-bent on appointing men that are patently unqualified for the post and then being too quick to pull the rug from under them at the first sign of danger.

True, Ince's record at Blackburn presents little argument for him not being shown the door yesterday. But he was guilty, primarily, of being given his first job in the Premier League long before he was ready.

While he was applauded for earning his stripes at Macclesfield and MK Dons, less than two years in management hardly qualified him for the Blackburn post. Particularly when someone like Sam Allardyce was out of work at the time.

As impressive as Ince's record had been in steering Macc off the foot of League Two and then earning promotion with MK Dons, it was no better than, say, Dave Penney at Doncaster.

Penney led Doncaster from the Conference to League One and almost to the Championship.

His reward for that? A move to Darlington.

There wasn't so much as a flicker of interest from the Premier League.

But then a former bricklayer is not nearly as sexy an option as an ex-England captain.

Of course, Ince is no less qualified for the Blackburn job now than he was when he was paraded in front of the media at with so much fanfare in June.

Deep end

Likewise Keane, for all the coaching badges he'd completed, was thrown in at the deep end at Sunderland, just as Robson was at Middlesbrough and Bruce at Birmingham.

And of those veterans of Ferguson's all-conquering side of 1994, it is Bruce more than anyone who has proven his longevity in management.

Operating at the lower reaches of the Premier League and upper end of the Championship, he has done commendable work with Birmingham and Wigan but nothing that would single him out as a future United manager.

Which is why it was so ridiculous that he should be considered well behind the likes of Keane as a potential successor to Ferguson.

Hughes' career has also headed in one direction thus far, but should City lose patience with him then it will raise serious question marks about his ability to manage at the highest level.

Should Queiroz fail with Portugal, then they can be added to Real Madrid in a growing list of evidence that suggests he will never go beyond the role of No 2 at United.

But should McClaren's resurgence in Holland continue at pace, then by time Ferguson stands down, his former assistant could be an unlikely name in the frame.

Whoever Ferguson's successor is, United will do well to find someone with a spotless record. Which is why it would be foolhardy to rule out Keane and Ince after just one setback so early in their careers.

After all, even Ferguson was sacked - by St Mirren in 1978.


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yes they r..

or mayb they simply suck at mngmnt..


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yes they r..

or mayb they simply suck at mngmnt..


erm.. i think Sparky did quite well.. it's just that the Sheikh are crazy and he need to obey whut he said.. it's hard to manage a team when u didn't have the authority to choose the player u think appropriate.. owners shouldn't interfere with footballing matters..


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yes they r..

or mayb they simply suck at mngmnt..


erm.. i think Sparky did quite well.. it's just that the Sheikh are crazy and he need to obey whut he said.. it's hard to manage a team when u didn't have the authority to choose the player u think appropriate.. owners shouldn't interfere with footballing matters..

its d trend nowadays. most club hv d so called 'sporting director' who is responsible 4 d signings of plyrs. d prob is, sumtimes (most of d time) d sporting director does not consult wit d mngrs on who they shld sign. so it will raise problems on how 2 fit d plyrs bought by d director. no mttr how gud d plyr is, if he doesnt fit into d team's formation, then its no use..

n it has bcome a lot worse now when even d owners wants 2 take part in d running of d clubs, eventho they dont hv d knowledge or expertise 2 do it..


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Fasha wrote:
Loque wrote:
yes they r..

or mayb they simply suck at mngmnt..


erm.. i think Sparky did quite well.. it's just that the Sheikh are crazy and he need to obey whut he said.. it's hard to manage a team when u didn't have the authority to choose the player u think appropriate.. owners shouldn't interfere with footballing matters..

its d trend nowadays. most club hv d so called 'sporting director' who is responsible 4 d signings of plyrs. d prob is, sumtimes (most of d time) d sporting director does not consult wit d mngrs on who they shld sign. so it will raise problems on how 2 fit d plyrs bought by d director. no mttr how gud d plyr is, if he doesnt fit into d team's formation, then its no use..

n it has bcome a lot worse now when even d owners wants 2 take part in d running of d clubs, eventho they dont hv d knowledge or expertise 2 do it..


Welcome to Sheikh's fantasy football... :geek: :geek:


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Loque wrote:
Fasha wrote:
Loque wrote:
yes they r..

or mayb they simply suck at mngmnt..


erm.. i think Sparky did quite well.. it's just that the Sheikh are crazy and he need to obey whut he said.. it's hard to manage a team when u didn't have the authority to choose the player u think appropriate.. owners shouldn't interfere with footballing matters..

its d trend nowadays. most club hv d so called 'sporting director' who is responsible 4 d signings of plyrs. d prob is, sumtimes (most of d time) d sporting director does not consult wit d mngrs on who they shld sign. so it will raise problems on how 2 fit d plyrs bought by d director. no mttr how gud d plyr is, if he doesnt fit into d team's formation, then its no use..

n it has bcome a lot worse now when even d owners wants 2 take part in d running of d clubs, eventho they dont hv d knowledge or expertise 2 do it..


Welcome to Sheikh's fantasy football... :geek: :geek:

it wont work. they cant buy trophies juz like dat. in d end, ****ty will b disappointed, which suits me juz fine.. 8-)


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Sparky did well at Rovers eventho he didn't have that much money to buy players.. cuz he made all the decisions.. who he wants and who he doesn't want.. but i don't see him being successful at City cuz the owner had too much fantasy football..


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well some 1 is singing d praises 4 sparky....im not surprised :P


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yes they r..

or mayb they simply suck at mngmnt..


seriously they r cursed...d only way 2 lift d curse is 4 them 2 wait till saf completes another 2 more treble


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well some 1 is singing d praises 4 sparky....im not surprised :P


:P :P :P


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Fasha wrote:
Loque wrote:
yes they r..

or mayb they simply suck at mngmnt..


erm.. i think Sparky did quite well.. it's just that the Sheikh are crazy and he need to obey whut he said.. it's hard to manage a team when u didn't have the authority to choose the player u think appropriate.. owners shouldn't interfere with footballing matters..

Sparky is a good manager, he juz don't have the luck rite now. Lgpon de 3-4 owg player baru msok n the team understanding is not there..Remember Sunderland? Roy keane bli 11+ player baru and it affects the team stability, dats y they in the bottom of the table.. I guess to build a good team you need time. U can't juz buy 11 world class players and become a world class team..Football manager bole ar kot..


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king wrote:
well some 1 is singing d praises 4 sparky....im not surprised :P


:P :P :P


owh...was it that obvious...i didnt mean 2 blow ur cover...i bet sparky must be blushing 2 :oops:


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Fasha wrote:
king wrote:
well some 1 is singing d praises 4 sparky....im not surprised :P


:P :P :P


owh...was it that obvious...i didnt mean 2 blow ur cover...i bet sparky must be blushing 2 :oops:


yea.. way to OBVIOUS... haha...


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Mark Hughes akan mula terasa pressure dr pak2 Arab ni.......hoho
will he get Santa Cruz?...... :shock:


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Mark Hughes akan mula terasa pressure dr pak2 Arab ni.......hoho
will he get Santa Cruz?...... :shock:


i wish Sparky will leave City soon.. haha..


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